03:10:28 Retweeted @mattyglesias02:40:59 Mike Pence is now a very powerful person because none of the smarter, more capable and popular GOP governors wanted the gig.
05:44:07 Retweeted @NPR05:43:00#Breaking: Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro has died at age 90, his brother President Raul Castro announces on state TV
07:39:54 Retweeted @amyfiscus06:32:55 Of the 4 bylines on the NYT, LAT and WaPo Castro obits, only one still works at the paper where it was published. Another has himself died.
17:38:42 Retweeted @poniewozik2016-11-25 20:47:37 If a swing of 100K voters would have had you saying 100% different things about What Our Culture Is Like, maybe question those conclusions.
20:41:00 Reading – In Scotland, Trump Built a Wall. Then He Sent Residents the Bill. (Katrin Bennhold) https://t.co/OGf1ljfYpC
20:56:39 Retweeted @richgalen03:26:38 The larger the popular vote margin for @HillaryClinton the more embarrassing to the campaign strategists who so mismanaged her time.
This week on the Curmudgeon’s Corner podcast Sam and Ivan start out trying to talk about things other than Trump. Thanksgiving, Puerto Rico, Apple, some books and movies… and that is well and good. But of course then they do talk about the latest week full of Trump developments as the transition continues. Then they wrap up with Jill Stein’s recount campaign, the electoral college, and other ways of messing with election results that either won’t happen or won’t change anything.
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Show Details:
Recorded 2016-11-25
Length this week – 2:15:49
(0:00:41-0:43:47) Not Trump
Duck
Sam’s Thanksgiving
Ivan’s Thanksgiving
Puerto Rico
Apple Stuff
Book: Autobiography of Mark Twain Volume 2
Book: The Hobbit
Movie: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
(0:45:47-1:31:23) Trump!
Water Bottle
Policy reversals
Staffing picks
Conflicts of Interest
25th amendment
Maintaining outrage
neo-Nazis
Trump as Berlusconi
Deals and getting things done
Trump and SCOTUS
Delegation
(1:31:52-2:15:35) Recounts and other craziness
New York Magazine Article
Jill Stein!
Why recount won’t change anything
Why are people donating?
Clinton’s position
Luke’s GoFundMe
Working the Electoral College again?
Congress rejecting electors
Get rid of electoral college?
Voting your own interests?
The Curmudgeon’s Corner theme music is generously provided by Ray Lynch.
01:02:52 Tutorial on 4th clause of 25th amendment -> The Surprisingly Easy Way to Get Rid of Donald Trump (Keith Olbermann) https://t.co/GxJbNd4Abq
01:12:10 Looking ways to do mischief to election results? See also the section here on congress objecting to electors: https://t.co/TpqNO7I4x2
01:34:07 Retweeted @danpfeiffer2016-11-24 19:20:27 The amount of Democratic energy and money being wasted on recounts instead of trying to win the Louisiana Senate Race is mind boggling
02:01:47 Reading – Russian propaganda effort helped spread вЂfake news’ during election, experts say (Craig Timberg) https://t.co/Y7W4YxxYR4
02:58:30 Reading – Republicans Divided Between Romney and Giuliani for Secretary of State (Peters/Haberman) https://t.co/atHG0phsix
03:29:43 Reading – German Spies Are “Alarmed” Over Threat To Election From Fake News And Russians (Alberto Nardelli) https://t.co/ncMSUFlWYa
03:37:45 Retweeted @B_M_Finnigan03:36:55 Every $ a liberal donates now to a lost cause like this recount is a dollar not spent saving Sens in MO IN WV FL WI ND MT MN PA VA OH.
03:47:00 Retweeted @B_M_Finnigan03:42:51 1 Watch that Stein fundraiser ticker.
2 Fast forward to September 2018 when Dems are frustratingly short on funds.
3 Laugh uncontrollably.
17:04:14 Retweeted @IdealsWin2016-11-24 07:02:35 Has anyone noticed that Jill Stein recount fundraiser says right on it "We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states?"
17:17:53 Retweeted @davidfrum16:46:56 Romney’s acting out of a sense of duty and responsibility, which is why the Trump people find him so baffling & irritating.
20:57:45 Retweeted @michaeldweiss18:51:03 Fake news is meant not convince you of something but to make you skeptical of everything and too demoralized, cynical to care anymore.
21:02:43 Retweeted @WI_Elections19:23:23 A recount petition has not yet been received by @WI_Elections from Jill Stein campaign. Deadline 5pm. We will issue press release when filed
21:21:08 Stein recount fundraising dramatically down on Day 3. Peaked at $1.3k/min compared to $4.3k/min Thu, $5.7k/min Wed.… https://t.co/ERyFuEQjsx
21:22:05 Stein only has 38 minutes left to file for the WI recount. Doesn’t seem like she has yet. Tick tock. Tick tock.
21:31:58 Retweeted @EliotHiggins16:49:57 Having spoken to other sites listed as "allies" on @propornot it's clear they have just listed a bunch of sites they didn't contact first.
22:32:24 Retweeted @DanAmira22:15:43 Imagine the recount actually gives the election to Hillary. I'd get on a boat and sail into the ocean and stay there until the war was over.
23:34:18 Retweeted @ArleneBynonShow23:29:09 "so far nothing other than Bannon has been out of the margins of a normal Republican administration" @RadioFreeTom on Trump appointments
02:50:25 .@JGBear101 Just being consistent. I reflected the changed status in every other state based on when CNN called, so continuing to the end. in reply to JGBear101
02:54:15 .@JGBear101 Absolutely everybody agrees Trump is leading MI. Different folks just use different criteria for calling. This site used CNN. in reply to JGBear101
03:02:42 .@JGBear101 If Stein’s recount effort succeeds, will be interesting to watch what if anything changes. Expectation is only minor changes. in reply to JGBear101
00:23:31 Retweeted @CharlotteReber2016-11-23 22:32:14 Let's be honest, Jill Stein finding proof that Russia hacked the election would still not be the craziest thing to happen in 2016.
00:53:03 .@imbou This is just a rehash of the NYMag article we discussed yesterday. Nothing new. Looks like Stein may trigger the recounts though. in reply to imbou
01:24:51 Retweeted @MattBinder01:24:25 i thought the election ending with President Trump was 2016's ultimate swerve & then 2016 gave us Democrats raising millions for Jill Stein
02:30:55 Retweeted @octonion02:22:24 Looks like Jill Stein will have her $2.5m in another 2 hours, tops.
03:27:36 Retweeted @hardsci03:27:18 In the very unlikely event an audit flips the election, I'm gonna make a Real Genius size batch of popcorn for all the thinkpiece recrims
04:13:44 Retweeted @BrendanNyhan03:29:57 Looking forward to everyone who hyped NY Mag story yesterday declaring all their fears assuaged when Stein-funded recount changes nothing
04:22:44 Retweeted @EsotericCD04:21:27 The @DecisionDeskHQ's piece on why WI/PA outcomes NOT fraudulent, but obviously consonant w/nat'l trends, about to be launched into the sun.
04:26:40 Retweeted @EsotericCD04:23:11 With any luck we'll get it up before Thanksgiving dinner, so you can pull it up on your smartphone btw bites to pwn yr conspiratorial uncle. in reply to EsotericCD
05:35:54 Retweeted @jpbrammer05:34:56 just received word that every pundit who failed to predict Jill Stein's Hail Mary "Audit the Vote" pass has been fired. very sad.
06:36:19 Reading – Jesus Electoral Christ, Jill Stein Actually Raised Over $2 Million To Fund a Vote Recount (Anna Merlan) https://t.co/ODX349kf4c
06:54:09 Retweeted @jilltwiss01:47:02 Honestly if Jill Stein steals all this money to fund her new folk-rap album, I will be real mad but kind of respect her
06:56:05 Retweeted @ForecasterEnten02:37:46 The state that decided the election (PA) had a margin of 1.1 pts. Perhaps drawing overarching conclusions from such a close race isn't wise?
07:56:09 I’ll do some additional updates to the graph later, since the numbers are still going up. But no longer every 15 minutes. Sleep soon. :-) in reply to abulsme
13:38:33 Retweeted @20committee13:15:46 The Pilgrims were a bunch of violent religious lunatics, basically David Koresh with a boat. On that note, have a Happy Thanksgiving, peeps!
21:33:04 Retweeted @jeremyscahill21:01:55 Erik Prince wants to privatize war. His sister Betsy wants to privatize education. Their mom wants to rid the earth of gay people.
21:33:22 Retweeted @ChuckModi115:39:32 White family conflict over Turkey is good. It's not about the racist uncle u can't change. It's about the young cousins who are watching
00:25:10 Retweeted @Nate_Cohn00:17:41 Look, maybe these researchers have a lot more than what's in the article. But there's a *very* easy explanation for the pattern in article in reply to Nate_Cohn
00:48:57 Retweeted @owillis00:39:19 The bar must be very high to claim an election was stolen. I saw left waste so much time and energy on this while Bush went nuts, pls don't
01:20:12 Retweeted @ForecasterEnten00:57:46 So… 1. Paper ballot effect in WI doesn't hold up when controlling for education. 2. MI is all paper ballots. 3. PA margin is 65k votes.
01:20:15 Retweeted @ForecasterEnten00:58:57 And the thing is that there are close elections where shady stuff can make a difference. This isn't one of those cases. Trump won.
01:20:19 Retweeted @ForecasterEnten01:02:32 What's going on here is people so want to believe that Trump couldn't win that any bit of evidence of fraud they're hanging their hats on.
01:36:31 So, yeah… I know a bunch of folks want to believe there was fraud or something, but no. Grasping at straws. Nothing to see. Move along.
03:41:21 Retweeted @BrendanNyhan03:19:38 Seriously considering whether this New York Magazine article was planted as a giant field experiment to document liberal motivated reasoning
03:51:05 Retweeted @Redistrict03:17:32 Left-wing conspiracy theories of vote rigging in MI/PA/WI just as pathetic as Pat McCrory's refusal to accept defeat in NC.
03:51:27 Retweeted @gerrycanavan03:18:17 denial
anger
bargaining
ad hoc pseudostatistical modeling
depression
acceptance
04:10:50 To be clear, I don't object to processes to double check election results. Issue is people thinking it might reverse the result this time.
07:48:28 .@RQDammit There was flurry of folks saying Clinton should ask 4 recounts in some states cause they thought there was something suspicious. in reply to RQDammit
07:50:03 .@RQDammit Under closer examination though, oddness they saw was easily explainable. No reason to think results not essentially accurate. in reply to abulsme
10:49:47 Reading – Trump to scrap Nasa climate research in crackdown on вЂpoliticized science’ (Oliver Milman) https://t.co/ftMPz9ElO7
12:28:09 Retweeted @roseveleth12:19:23 A thing I don't understand: why is anybody trusting or hanging onto a single word Trump says? He changes his mind constantly.
17:44:21 My electoral college proposal: Select electors by lottery (not by election). Sequester them until the Electoral college votes in Dec.
17:50:59 Retweeted @DecisionDeskHQ17:29:38 We've reached "people who don't realize ballots cast part of printout doesn't usually match race tallies, spread around mindlessly" stage.
18:18:20 Reading – Trump’s Plan to Eliminate NASA Climate Research Is Ill-Informed and Dangerous (Phil Plait) https://t.co/REHHAByUHr
18:30:08 Retweeted @ajjaffe18:13:47 News: Jill Stein's going to file for a recount in WI, MI & PA if she can raise the money—will announce on FB shortly.
20:46:48 Retweeted @daveweigel20:35:39 A better use of Jill Stein’s time might have been saying “hey, MI and WI and PA supporters should vote for Clinton.” Just spitballing here
20:48:17 Stein’s fundraiser for recounts is here by the way. Almost zero indication it would substantially change results. https://t.co/YfhvqwnkJi
21:31:33 Retweeted @GongwerMichigan21:07:19 Final unofficial margin in Michigan for Trump over Clinton: 10,704. Board of State Canvassers to vote Monday on making it official.
21:34:44 OK, fine, I started a chart to track how Jill Stein’s fundraising is going. Will update periodically. Google sheet: https://t.co/zvXm7Fxtpd
11:39:43 Retweeted @CaseyGerald2016-11-21 21:12:52 There aren't 61.8 million disaffected rural voters in America. Somebody better start writing about their comfy friends, family, & bosses.
12:00:19 Retweeted @RadioFreeTom01:44:10 The entire playbook is to wear down the media, firehose the public, exhaust critics, and normalize everything. It's working, so far.
12:20:39 Wake me up when it is Republican electors -> Democratic presidential electors revolt against Trump (Kyle Cheney) https://t.co/BDKuqx4ih3
13:04:44 Retweeted @benwikler12:59:10 Prediction: Press will aggressively cover Trump's corruption, his supporters won't care at all, press will be mystified
15:07:49 Reading – Trump Foundation apparently admits to violating ban on 'self-dealing' (David Fahrenthold) https://t.co/UEJiaULAwy
15:09:19 It is starting to get hard not to just skip over new Trumo corruption stories. "Yeah, yeah, we know he is corrupt." But trying not to.
15:10:28 Retweeted @jonfavs14:45:32 It is dangerous to let people think the President decides who gets prosecuted in our criminal justice system. Stop fucking doing it.
18:50:29 Retweeted @NoahCRothman18:24:19 In NYT interview so far, Trump open minded about anthropogenic climate change, praises Clinton Foundation, and denounces the alt-right.
19:14:24 Retweeted @MattGlassman31218:45:06 Basically, Trump is arguing that his global business holdings are a pre-existing condition, and we can't discriminate based on that.
19:15:42 Retweeted @normative18:44:06 We’re about to see what happens when an administration is not just indifferent to, but seemingly not even *aware* of those norms. in reply to normative
19:28:00 Retweeted @HeerJeet19:25:46 Something to keep in mind in the coming months: Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one.
19:28:19 Retweeted @eliasisquith19:25:35 Trump spends entire campaign lying endlessly, then says a bunch of non-committal things that are complete oppo of his campaign promises
20:16:44 Retweeted @Green_Footballs20:10:06 1/2 Every time Trump says something contradictory about his previous promises, the media eagerly take the bait and promote it as a …
20:47:55 Watching – Re: The Trouble With The Electoral College – Cities, Metro Areas, Elections & The United States (CGPGrey) https://t.co/VmSOmBVpdK
21:18:38 Reading – Here Are All The Things Donald Trump Said During His New York Times Interview (Ema O'Connor) https://t.co/3QXwjBcUbz
23:04:45 The skeptical take I have been waiting for on this -> NASA’s EM-drive still a WTF-thruster (Chris Lee) https://t.co/GTQfwb73tW
23:12:17 Retweeted @chrislhayes21:47:15 If Trump had won popular vote by over 2 million but lost electoral college, I'm sure he and GOP would be super chill and gracious.
00:27:22 Retweeted @Natt2016-11-20 11:50:32 Oh, I get it. In World War III, Germany gets to save the rest of the world from fascists. That's a pretty solid third act.
02:59:03 Reading – Pentagon and intelligence community chiefs have urged Obama to remove the head of the NSA (Nakashima) https://t.co/MIp7UMWyyd
03:00:21 Retweeted @RonaldKlain2016-11-09 14:57:50 Does every vote matter? HRC would have won w/ just 4 more votes per precinct in Mich, 7 per precinct in PA, 9 per precinct in Wisc!
18:34:54 Retweeted @ConanOBrien18:13:14 I'm at Trump Tower, about to meet about a cabinet position. Sitting between Dustin Diamond and a guy that can swallow 50 eggs.
18:41:39 Reading – White Nationalists Celebrate вЂan Awakening’ After Donald Trump’s Victory (Rappeport/Weiland) https://t.co/40rZgjfKds
22:30:12 Retweeted @mattyglesias2016-11-19 19:59:59 Do I have this right? The NSA chief was going to be fired, but Russian hackers helped Trump win the election so now he's getting promoted?