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Comparing 2008 and 2012 Again (Now With Graphs!)

OK, beating a dead horse a bit, but I finally made graphs, so one more look. (Previous comments on this here and here, 2012 Delegate race here, 2008 Delegate races here.)

The key is that while if you look at the calendar, and say where were things on February 22nd 2008…

On the Republican side you’d see that McCain had for all intents and purposes wrapped things up. On that date 60.4% of the delegates had already been allocated. McCain had 63.9% of the delegates, while his closest competition (Romney) only had 19.9%. In order to get to his magic number McCain only needed 29.0% of the remaining delegates. For Romney to catch up, he would have needed 96.0% of the remaining delegates. Romney was just days away from being mathematically eliminated (that would happen on February 26th).

Meanwhile on the Democratic side, 64.1% of the delegates had been allocated. Obama had 50.8% of the delegates to Clinton’s 48.2%. To win Obama needed 48.6% of the remaining delegates, Clinton needed 53.3% of the remaining delegates. Clearly the Democratic race was still close (although from here on out, Obama just increased his lead, Clinton never really made up any ground except when Florida’s delegates were reinstated near the end). But the Republican race was over.

You’d then compare to Romney today and build a narrative of Romney not being able to close the deal, of wondering why he can’t just wrap this up, after all McCain had wrapped this up by this time, right?

But this year, on the Republican side, as of today we only have 11.0% of the delegates allocated (and that counts estimates from caucus states, it is less without that). So how does this year look and compare with 2008 when you look at it by % of delegates allocated instead of by date?

Well, here is the “% of remaining needed to win” chart with % of delegates allocated on the horizontal axis instead of date:

You can see clearly that Romney is well ahead of his competition, and while he isn’t yet diving down toward zero (indicating he is heading quickly to the nomination) he is holding steady, while everybody else is trending upward toward being eliminated. Gingrich and Santorum are neck and neck for 2nd place and both need about 54% of the remaining delegates to catch up and win. 54% is not an impossible number in a two man race. It is a lot better than either has done so far, but if one of them stops getting delegates and the other picks up all of their support, it is in the realm of the possible. But it would be a significant change from what has happened so far. Note, for instance, that even when Santorum won states, he didn’t win by a big enough margin to actually be catching up. His line still went up.

Now what did this look like in 2008? The closest comparison for the Republicans would be as of February 5th… the day before Super Tuesday. At that point 9.4% of the delegates had been allocated.

What do we see here? A very different pattern. McCain had only recently (in terms of % of delegates) pulled ahead, but Romney was still close… and gaining! We had a two person race where both were within shooting distance of each other, and neither were yet heading either rapidly up or down on this chart, indicating that they were either on the way to elimination or to the nomination. In 2008 at this point, things really were still close. The very next day, on SuperTuesday, McCain would essentially run away with it, and that would be that. But comparing comparable points in the delegate race, Romney actually has a much bigger lead and advantage on his competition than McCain had in 2008.

One more comparison though… The Democrats in 2008. The comparable date there is also February 5th, the day before Super Tuesday. 10.3% of the delegates had been allocated on that side on that day.

There are a few oddities in the data from back then… my sources had allocated some delegates, then backtracked, causing the little bit of backtracking on the chart, and when my tracking started on January 1st almost 7% of the delegates were already in place because of Super Delegates who had declared their preferences)… but you can still see the trends.

So, most important thing you see here… Clinton was still in the lead! Obama didn’t catch her in delegates until significantly later. But it is clear that both Obama and Clinton are still in contention. Their lines are basically horizontal, and they were pretty close to each other. Neither of them had started moving toward the nomination really, but neither was showing a pattern of getting eliminated either… like Edwards and all the rest were.

In this year’s race, all of Romney’s competition are in worse positions than McCain’s competition was at the same time. It is not yet too late for one of them to mount a push and catch up… but it is getting close. Even with the vastly stretched out schedule, there is still a big enough chunk of states coming up on Super Tuesday that we’ll probably see that day be the do or die day for all the not-Romneys. At least for actually catching up and winning. Blocking Romney from 1144 is a lot easier task than actually winning at this point. We’ll know a lot more about how possible (or not) that scenario is after Super Tuesday as well.

OK, long post, but finally, for reference, here are the two races in 2008 in full as they played out (rather than just looking at the first 12%).

And here is this year’s Republicans at the same scale…

Just a little ways left to go, huh?

Curmudgeon’s Corner: Descent into Chaos

In the latest Curmudgeon’s Corner…

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  • Santorum on Contraception, Sex and Religion / Gaming the Race

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@abulsme Updates from 2012-02-21 (UTC)

  • Reading – I tried to watch Game of Thrones and this is what happened (The Oatmeal) http://t.co/G3yk24ZE #
  • Reading – Why the AP is projecting all 37 MN delegates for Santorum (Matt, DCW) http://t.co/8a9ge9xb #
  • Reading – iPad improves Kindergartners literacy scores (Jim Dalrymple) http://t.co/08xzY7cy #
  • Reading – GOP talks about a contested convention (Matt, DCW) http://t.co/TA4tqprV #
  • Reading – Lab-grown meat is first step to artificial hamburger (Pallab Ghosh) http://t.co/PlZVYsDj #
  • Reading – Poll Analysis: Newt gains a bit but still loses 100% to Obama (Darryl, HorsesAss) http://t.co/N0G2LuyX #
  • Reading – How Seinfeld's Productivity Secret Fixed My Procrastination Problem (Adam Dachis) http://t.co/5nFhDBaL #
  • Reading – In Michigan, Momentum for Romney? (Nate Silver) http://t.co/B7F6iB9b #
  • Reading – Commentary: Some lies around Deep Throat exposed (Glenn Garvin) http://t.co/y1grfmDm #
  • RT @ppppolls: Romney leads Santorum by just 3 in Arizona, 36-33. Gingrich at 16%, Paul at 9%: http://t.co/bQu9CpZP #
  • RT @ppppolls: Big thing to watch in AZ: can Newt hold his 16%? Weakly committed supporters could leave for Santorum- http://t.co/bQu9CpZP #
  • RT @neiltyson: Feb 20, 1962, The USA launches John Glenn into Earth orbit. Something America could do fifty years ago….but not today. #
  • Reading – We can do no Moore: a transistor from single atom (Matthew Francis) http://t.co/scJIZvjd #
  • RT @Atrios: is newt still alive? #
  • RT @joshtpm: Romney campaign finds new secret weapon against Santorum: Santorum. #
  • RT @cpreksta: Drawing Muppets with my 2-year-old cousin Tabitha. http://t.co/KxZ3Mm62 #
  • MT @thinkprogress: Is @SarahPalinUSA launching a dark horse candidacy for a brokered conv nomination? http://t.co/1UF149Y9 (via @RyanLizza) #
  • MT @jbarro: A brokered conv should nominate a consensus candidate with the gravitas and experience to be ready to serve: George H.W. Bush. #
  • RT @wrct883: Our 500th follower will win a very special WRCT tshirt! #freeswag #
  • RT @gruber: Funny that the preference to turn off third-party cookies is a little hard to find in Google Chrome. #
  • Reading – Talk of Brokered Convention May Be Just That (Michael D. Shear) http://t.co/PlRSp1Eq #
  • RT @thinkprogress: "You know how Mitt Romney celebrates Presidents Day? He straps his dog to the roof of a Lincoln!" — Dave Letterman #
  • Reading – Poll Analysis: Obama leads Santorum (Darryl, HorsesAss) http://t.co/nxwCTSxj #
  • Just completed a 0.78 km walk – Short walk with Roscoe. . http://t.co/5kw04dle #RunKeeper #
  • Reading – Breaking news: Heartland leaker is scientist Peter Gleick, says documents are all real (Phil Plait) http://t.co/pWFw8sIv #
  • Reading – Memo to Republicans: Obama Is Tougher on Iran Than George W. Bush (Jeffrey Goldberg) http://t.co/D7ENVQov #
  • Reading – We, the Web Kids (Piotr Czerski) http://t.co/yjZJEJcc #
  • Reading – Office for iPad reportedly due in weeks (Megan Lavey-Heaton) http://t.co/7UdlTMUL #
  • Reading – MI Poll: Romney By Two (Kyle Leighton) http://t.co/Mc9dNMmE #
  • Reading – Whooping cough just keeps spreading in county (Sharon Salyer) http://t.co/iYT1wEJT #

@abulsme Updates from 2012-02-20 (UTC)

  • Reading – A Very Rough Estimate of the Republican Delegate Math Ahead, Part Two (Josh Putnam) http://t.co/3zQ66Ban #
  • MT @natsecHeather: Santorum trifecta: Bible-not-science-based policy; prenatal testing=eugenics; BHO=Hitler. All in 1 weekend. Any I missed? #
  • Reading – Big data skills bring big dough (Barb Darrow) http://t.co/rvFxwDVN #
  • Reading – Amazon's big property deal: Seattle landowner Al Clise talks (Jeanne Lang Jones) http://t.co/C1xdPffE #
  • Reading – The slow rise of the SoMoClo OS (Om Malik) http://t.co/P0wmnWNq #
  • Reading – Mobile Revolution (Josh Marshall) http://t.co/7A5jM2mD #
  • RT @ppppolls: Romney has chopped 11 points off Santorum's Michigan lead in the last week: http://t.co/2uKr7BYa #
  • MT @ppppolls: MI may be moving on a different track because our AZ numbers (tomorrow) and WA ones (Tuesday) are good for Santorum #
  • Reading – The Electoral Wasteland (Timothy Egan) http://t.co/ZyaXghXw #
  • Reading – So Much Harder Than It Looks (Josh Marshall) http://t.co/H5UEneuS #

@abulsme Updates from 2012-02-19 (UTC)

Electoral College: Obama weakens a bit in Washington

Map from the Abulsme.com 2012 Electoral College Prediction page.

So, a new poll in Washington state moves Obama’s 5 poll average from a lead just a little more than 10%, to a lead just under 10%. To be fair, this is the 5th real poll I have, so this for the first time moves the 2008 election results used to seed the averages out, and makes this the first look that is based solely on Obama vs Romney polling. It does though move Washington from the “Strong Obama” category down to my “Weak Obama” category. I keep thinking maybe I should rename the categories, because a 9.5% lead isn’t exactly all that “Weak”. But leads that size have been known to disappear via strong campaigning, major events in the campaign, etc. The right way to interpret this category is “Candidate has a decent lead, but not so huge they can take the state for granted.” My name just sucks a little. :-)

In any case, since this doesn’t effect a swing state, this doesn’t move the basic numbers of the race:

Romney Obama
Romney Best Case 311 227
Current Status 210 328
Obama Best Case 170 368

This is the first movement on our charts toward Romney since January 11th though, so that is worth noting.

Chart from the Abulsme.com 2012 Electoral College Prediction page. Lines represent how many more electoral votes a candidate has than is needed to tie under several different scenarios.

@abulsme Updates from 2012-02-18 (UTC)

2012 Republican Delegate Count: Some Revisions from Maine

Chart from the Abulsme.com 2012 Republican Delegate Count Graphs page. When a candidate gets down to 0%, they have cinched the nomination. If they get up past 100%, they have been mathematically eliminated.

A small change today. Maine revised its preference poll numbers to add some precincts whose results got lost in a spam folder (really). The result from this is that the delegate estimates give one less delegate to Paul, and one more to Gingrich. So Gingrich wins the day today.

But Maine’s results will change again. First, there are still more precincts who haven’t done their votes yet (or are doing them today). So there may well be more straw poll Maine updates to come.

More importantly though, these are only estimates based on the straw polls, in fact, no delegates have been selected at all yet. In fact, delegates to the state convention were selected, who in turn will select delegates to the national convention. That won’t happen until MAY. Estimates of what will happen in May really should be based on asking each of the delegates to the next level of the process who they intend to support. But nobody seems to be doing that sort of things, so instead we (well, Green Papers) base estimates on the straw polls. But the real results may be very different. You may have someone like Paul out organizing and getting an outsized number of delegates compared to the star poll (the Paul campaign claims they are on track to do this), or, you may have the nominee being a done deal by May, and get all delegates allocated to the obvious winner, regardless of what happened in February.

Anyway, with the best estimate we have as of when I pulled the numbers a couple hours ago, today Gingrich gains a delegate and Paul loses one.

Edit 2012 Feb 18 23:10 – Minor wording change

@abulsme Updates from 2012-02-17 (UTC)

Curmudgeon’s Corner: All Whitney… or Not

In the latest Curmudgeon’s Corner…

Sam and Ivan talk about:

  • Republicans
  • Econ Update
  • iPad 3 Rumors
  • Data Throttles

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