00:58:55 Ok. All settled in a debate watch party. All ready for the show. Let’s go!
01:03:10 As I mentioned on Curmudgeon’s Corner this last week, this debate format is nuts. Too many people. They should have made the cut a lot tighter. Most of these people should not even be on the stage. Sorry.
01:03:39 No intro statements. That is interesting, but makes sense given they have 10 people up there. Get right into it.
01:07:42 Beto completely doesn’t answer the question though. :-/
01:10:49 Warren gets her second question because she was mentioned, before all the others get to talk. I presume this will happen a lot. #DemDebate
01:13:05 I’ve always wanted to do a debate transcript where I go and black out anything that isn’t a direct response to the question. In every single debate, it would be mostly black. #DemDebate
01:13:08 Retweeted @Carrasquillo01:11:15 They’ve gone to Warren for a second time but others haven’t spoken once.The ghost of Ben Carson stirs.
01:30:30 Retweeted @SamWangPhD01:02:58 The coming boomlet:Step 1: Start with obscure candidate X.
Step 2: X says something catchy.
Step 3: The press goes wild!
Step 4: X inches up in polls.
Step 5: More coverage & digging…and surprise! Something bad happens.
Step 6: X drops in the polls.
01:42:09 Castro and O’Rourke talking over each other. It is OK to take turns. #DemDebate
01:45:26 Missed a couple minutes, but sounds like they were talking all over each other again. #DemDebate
01:46:39 For any Spanish speakers watching this, does the candidate flipping to Spanish for part of an answer actually change how you think about them in any way? If so, it is positive or negative? Or does it depend on how well they can speak Spanish? #DemDebate
01:52:58 Klobuchar gets in another one liner. On that metric at least, she is ahead. #DemDebate
01:55:31 A thought on the format again. I don’t feel like any of these candidates are really breaking through and leaving a memorable impression. Everyone gets lost in the noise of too many people on the stage to keep track of them all. #DemDebate
01:58:32 Retweeted @PoliticalEmilia01:58:18 Slowly losing more and more respect for candidates who refuse to answer the question.
I’m tired of this. If you’re running to be the President of the United States, you should know how to answer questions about policy. #DemocraticDebate
02:00:12 Moderator switch. Maddow is a good replacement. Todd is not. #DemDebate
02:09:14 Warren’s answer about needing research on effective approaches to gun violence and treating it as a public health issue sounds like a dodge initially, but it is actually a very reasonable answer. #DemDebate
02:14:47 I’m not sure Todd asking basically the same question to a bunch of these candidates, worded slightly different each time, actually adds much here. #DemDebate
02:17:03 People, people. Maddow was moving on from guns. Stop going back there. #DemDebate
02:18:22 The answer to if any SCOTUS justices nominated by a Democrat would be confirmed if the Republicans still control the Senate is no. Doesn’t matter who the Democrat is. #DemDebate
02:20:55 I’m ready for tomorrow’s debate already. Are we done yet? #DemDebate
02:22:23 This McConnell question is stupid in all its forms. The straightforward answer is “McConnell would block everything, we will figure out ways to work around him without new legislation and without SCOTUS.” #DemDebate
02:26:31 So far the only things I’ll remember from this: Warren was passionate and sounds like she knows what she is talking about. Klobuchar had some good one liners. Booker looks really serious. O’Rourke has always been overrated. Everybody else was completely forgettable. #DemDebate
02:51:36 Retweeted @b_schaffner02:47:26 Is there a threshold that moderators have to meet in order to make it into the next debate? If so, can we make sure Chuck Todd doesn’t get there?
02:53:08 I feel like not only did Todd not do a good job, but he kept Maddow from doing as good a job as she could have if he didn’t hog the time. #DemDebate
03:02:18 Well, it is done. My summary is basically what I posted half an hour ago. Only notable thing in the last half hour is Gabbard jumping out with her strong “out of Afghanistan” stand. That was also memorable. #DemDebatehttps://t.co/EGbW0pGo3jin reply to abulsme
03:06:01@shelleyaw123@JayInslee@TimRyan Yeah, he had a couple moments, but none that I still remember now that it is over. Lots of people said Warren would be helped by being with these people instead of tomorrow. i think my initial take was right, and she loses out by not being with the other big names. #DemDebatein reply to shelleyaw123
03:18:33 Retweeted @shelleyaw12303:14:41@abulsme@BetoORourke As a Ind/Dem in Texas you can feel completely overwhelmed by the evangelical right. Like nothing you will ever do can break through that wall. His run against Cruz that came so close to breaking it down makes him a hero to many of us. But tonight he was off his game some. in reply to abulsme
03:28:17 Retweeted @FiveThirtyEight03:23:38 Cory Booker spoke the most words tonight.
Beto O’Rourke was second.
Elizabeth Warren was third.
Chuck Todd, one of the debate’s moderators, spoke just 4 words less than Warren and more words than 7 of the candidates on stage. https://t.co/01rAtNoxuahttps://t.co/JKixEyiHAb
04:12:28 Retweeted @jackmjenkins03:38:10 Huh. Not sure if this is new or not: Booker just pledged not to take a VP slot if the Democratic nominee is a male.In that instance, he said it should be a woman.
14:47:24 Retweeted @DavidCornDC14:13:22 This means if you care about democracy, you will have to care about state legislative races and fight to elect state lawmakers who will create fair and reasonable districts to ensure truly proportional representation. Life just got harder. https://t.co/J0XXlQAqto
14:55:19 Retweeted @MaxKennerly14:32:33 Exactly. The gerrymandering will be inherently and intentionally racial, but lawsuits challenging it will get dismissed when the states argue plaintiffs can’t show racial intent “predominates” over partisan intent. See majority opinion, p. 23. https://t.co/NGWbA0WJefhttps://t.co/7s304mlag8
14:59:40 Retweeted @nycsouthpaw14:37:38 This seems to be the nub of it—Roberts says it would be fine as a constitutional matter for, say, California to send only Democrats to Congress, shutting out the state’s millions of Republican voters entirely. https://t.co/Op5HtpJJuWhttps://t.co/9Eepl3C8UA
15:16:13 Retweeted @mcclure11114:57:51 In other words, the citizenship-question ruling is because of the naked partisan intent. Not because it systematically disadvantages one party and systematically disempowers immigrant populations.If they come back with a slightly better prepared cover story it might be allowed https://t.co/poeC0pmBX9
15:21:46 Retweeted @rudepundit15:07:00 Mostly, today, let’s congratulate Mitch McConnell. The success of his completely dickish, unethical, but tragically legal blocking of Merrick Garlan’s nomination has paid off. Democrats should learn from this and figure out how to be even more dickish.
15:22:45 Retweeted @jasoncherkis14:28:17 As these horrible Supreme Court rulings are announced — think about what Biden has been saying since he launched his campaign. Republicans will come to their senses once Trump is gone and Biden is in the White House. And see how utterly naive that is.
15:59:28 Retweeted @jdesmondharris01:15:31 I find myself surprised that after all we’ve been through over the past few years, politicians still talk like politicians. I didn’t think there were still rules or standards. You’d think people would be starting their responses with “First of all, f*ck this”
16:00:44 Retweeted @zachdcarter15:36:39 The Thomas/Gorsuch/Kavanaugh dissent is a declaration of madness. Who are we, Supreme Court Justices, to conclude that the administration has lied? All we have are these facts that conflict directly with what the administration told us! https://t.co/QShmAfKGsa
16:22:12 Retweeted @maximlott16:15:06 As dust settles on last night night’s debate, the betting odds show no huge changes.But @EWarren gained a percent, and Castro doubled his odds from 0.3% to 0.7% (but he’s still below 1%.) Gabbard and Booker also rose.
20:30:32 One way or another, basic information on evaluating sources of information, perhaps including things like this, needs to be a part of the standard elementary school curriculum. https://t.co/6CRaQzqozo
21:03:16 Retweeted @willsommer17:38:32 White House official predicts Trump won’t be happy about the new Twitter rule that adds a disclaimer when his tweets break the rules: “He’s not going to like this.” https://t.co/xnx8OlD61t
00:07:54 Retweeted @AJentleson2019-06-25 23:37:27 What the hell, guys. This is what happens when you lose sight of right and wrong and starting conducting yourselves like the pundits and consultants you take your cues from. You are United States senators, for crying out loud. https://t.co/YTtnNDG5ww
00:12:13 Retweeted @AJentleson00:01:20 E. Jean Carroll came forward and accused the President of rape and *Democratic* senators are saying it doesn’t matter. These people have to power to reach out and help her. Instead they dismiss her. Is there anyone on the Hill with an ounce of courage? https://t.co/WeAHM1IAbYin reply to AJentleson
02:01:30 Q for Mueller: “Given your experience as Special Counsel, what changes would you recommend Congress consider making to the Special Counsel Law to improve the process for future Special Counsels?” Would be very revealing if answered fully. @BarbMcQuade@MaddowBlog
02:15:16 I honestly expect Mueller to stick to his word and essentially not say anything other than things like “the answer to that is on page 136”, and therefore for the testimony to be rather underwhelming.
06:05:27 Retweeted @KamalaHarris01:13:28 These families seeking asylum are often fleeing extreme violence. And what happens when they arrive? Trump says, ‘Go back to where you came from.’ That is inhumane. Children are dying. This is a stain on our moral conscience. https://t.co/NHly7QTiAq
15:37:20 Retweeted @leedrutman15:28:37 But what if one party’s electoral success is tied to making it harder to vote, and one party’s electoral success is tied to making it easier to vote? Quite a tricky puzzle to make reform totally nonpartisan. https://t.co/H3dZaGd3bC
15:38:36 Retweeted @scalzi15:28:32 We live in a world where a children’s magazine has more and better moral standing than the President of the United States. Now, maybe this has always been the case and maybe not. But it’s certainly the case that now is a time that distinction is visible, and matters. https://t.co/5U8bICCnSA
17:42:20 Retweeted @igorvolsky16:55:37 NRA’s woes:- #2 resigned
– NRATV shut down
– NRA spox Loesch fired
– Longtime ad agency out
– Oliver North ousted
– Tax status under review
– Board member resign
– Calls for LaPierre’s to resign
– Senate investigating Russian ties
– Deep financial crisis
18:05:44 Retweeted @scottdetrow17:11:14 Security person outside debate site just now : “are you here to pick up press credentials?”
John Hickenlooper: “…I’m a candidate”
05:40:11 Retweeted @normative05:02:01 Yeah, I think the sentiment is (a) Accurate, probably on multiple grounds, and (b) Nevertheless not a view people in positions of political power should toss around cavalierly. https://t.co/AsWySNv3tU
20:25:50 Retweeted @PollsAndVotes20:21:52 Trump’s approval remains below previous presidents at this point, with the exception of Jimmy Carter. About 4 points below Obama and Clinton, less than a point below Reagan.Variation for Trump is much smaller than others.
21:26:04 The picture on this article is devastating. Unfortunately, many people don’t seem to care unless they see something directly. So pictures like this need to be seen widely. This is what these assholes are causing. And anybody who enables them. https://t.co/iCD5hAjB1c
This week on Curmudgeon’s Corner Sam and Ivan spend most of the show talking about the Democratic Debates, but they also spend some time on a movie Sam watched, Sam’s adventures with streaming live TV again, and the situation with border detention camps.
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Recorded 2019-06-29 Length this week – 2:19:04
(0:00:20-0:18:26) Ivan: Sam Movie – Apollo 11: First Steps (2019)
(0:19:10-1:31:14) Sam: Democratic Debates
(1:31:52-1:50:08) Ivan: Sam’s Streaming Failures
(1:52:09-2:18:43) Sam: Border Camps
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17:00:26 Retweeted @jkarsh16:56:36 Looks like the shell game of moving kids around so who’s to say how many there are, how bad the conditions are, etc. may have begun. https://t.co/FrdK6hgkrG
17:20:48 Talked about this some on the latest Curmudgeon’s Corner podcast as well as the latest @ElectionGraphs blog post. I suspect this is indeed mostly name recognition. But it will be interesting to watch over time to see if we do get convergence, or if notable differences remain. https://t.co/T9ND1OynhV
21:31:10 Retweeted @djlavoie21:29:03 I’m so glad that Dems aren’t impeaching Trump because it really enabled them to control the political narrative this week and drive home core kitchen-table issues like healthcare & taxes and not just sit on the sidelines completely removed from the conversation.Oh wait.
22:48:10 Retweeted @ScottMStedman22:40:05 NEW: Big win for CNN and @kpolantz. Judge orders large amounts of Mueller materials to be released. The govt asked that some information be redacted because of ongoing investigations and the judge granted that wish. https://t.co/ljTxHsftdV
22:54:14 Retweeted @DavidOAtkins22:38:31 Exactly this. Too many people cower or leave the field when the trolls come to harass. Credit to @AOC to sticking it through. All it takes to beat bullies is standing your ground. https://t.co/3O7Druap3V
04:06:37 Retweeted @BriannaWu2019-06-22 16:56:02 THREAD: Here is a list of all the 22 women who have credibly accused Trump of rape and sexual misconduct. Please Retweet.1. Jill Harth says she was groped and kissed in a bedroom at Mar-A-Lago.
15:56:01 Retweeted @MaeveReston15:24:22 There is a lot of interest in SC in @KamalaHarris & @ewarren but hesitation about a female nominee going up against Trump again is real. Women, who would *really* like to see a woman nominee, told me they’re afraid men won’t vote for the female nominee in the General. https://t.co/TLSeYvaHkH
16:09:48 Retweeted @KSeattleWeather16:05:02 If you liked yesterday, you’ll really like today: Damp & cool, with highs struggling to make it past 60 degrees
18:32:01 Retweeted @DustiestWilson2019-06-18 21:12:12 For record, it has taken 2 years and 149 days to go from “Trump won’t round people up” to “these can’t be concentration camps cause they’re not as bad as Auschwitz.”
23:13:15 Retweeted @morethanmySLE23:04:33 <symbol>BREAKING: Nearly 100 internal Trump transition vetting documents leaked to “Axios on HBO” identify a host of “red flags” about officials who went on to get some of the most powerful jobs in the U.S. government.MUST READ<symbol>
01:10:28 Retweeted @IsaacDovere2019-06-21 16:03:56 I spent some time digging through Biden’s comments on race over the years…. what he said this week is part of a career-long pattern of thinking his own party’s activists go too far and even the awful the opposition on the other side can be understood: https://t.co/3y4FVLwmys
01:47:38 Retweeted @radleybalko2019-06-20 23:38:06 This is a thread about time and the criminal justice system. We tend to think that the time of judges and lawyers is expensive. They’re professional people doing important things, so their time is scarce. We also tend to think that accused people tend to be poor…
01:58:51 Retweeted @gtconway3d00:40:58 So, as usual, Trump lied.“Administration officials said Trump was told earlier Thursday how many casualties could occur if a strike on Iran was carried out and that he had given the green light that morning to prepare the operation.” https://t.co/bsWU4bNub5
02:06:56 Retweeted @goldengateblond2019-06-21 21:52:48 The president was accused of rape and it’s barely a blip in the news cycle. I just think it’s important to mention just how fucked up that is. Carry on.
02:08:30 Retweeted @jonrog12019-06-21 19:43:12 Number of campaign visits by Presidential candidates in the last election.Every person who says “I like the Electoral College because I don’t want the election decided by just four states” I want to bash their forehead against this map until the sun dies. https://t.co/INqN9HlBF9
02:11:42 Retweeted @fakedansavage00:49:23 Remember when every conservative in the country was screaming “every child deserves a mother and a father”? So quiet now these “champions” of children. https://t.co/x9qlPGzPhM
03:30:16 Retweeted @MEPFuller2019-06-21 18:21:46 In the last 24 hours:• A journalist has alleged the President raped her 25 years ago
• Trump almost severely escalated a war with Iran
• We received our most vivid report yet of the neglect and mistreatment that child immigrants at border detention facilities are facing
12:35:06 Retweeted @natsecHeather12:01:06 Both true comments and a very just commentary on the style of analysis/judgment we in the US foreign affairs establishment got used to handing down on other societies. https://t.co/hD5j22Htg2
12:36:41 Retweeted @Zac_Petkanas12:30:35 This.Get them some fucking soap, toothpaste, medicine and real food, you monsters.
12:40:09 Retweeted @MiaFarrow12:31:21 As many suspected, it wasn’t Trump’s compassion ( a virtue he shows no sign of possessing) for the 150 people who would die if he attacked Iran. He listened to one of his favorite Fox News hosts, Tucker Carlson, who said it would cost him the election https://t.co/KjNgjRFJAI
13:08:36 Retweeted @nycsouthpaw13:06:29 Really can’t stress enough that there is now an archipelago of camps in the United States where children from disfavored groups are subjected to increasingly harsh and inhumane treatment. https://t.co/WZt3eD9Hy0
13:15:52 Retweeted @NPRinskeep13:03:38 One may use these numbers to argue that Trump is not so bad. But by the same logic, the same numbers show it was always false to claim Obama and Democrats favored “open borders,” and our immigration debate is driven by something other than facts. https://t.co/IMrtpYwb7G
13:39:20 Retweeted @AaronBlake10:48:40 Trump said he called off the Iran strike 10 minutes before it was to take place.It was actually hours.
16:38:58 Retweeted @juliettekayyem13:33:15 THREAD on what to expect tomorrow. (still on vacay but short interruption given the WH move). I do this mostly for reporters and advocates who will face a confusing (and morally vacuous) day tomorrow.1/ https://t.co/18hBp3Dxrr
18:04:17 Retweeted @Popehat17:40:41 I want to talk about a federal prosecutor I knew, and what it’s possible to do when you work for the government when you think something’s wrong.This guy was at the U.S. Attorney’s Office when I was. He still is.
20:45:58@DaveMc99TA I think the press feels like this is the 16th public accusation, not counting the ones who won’t go on the record, and if #1 to #15 didn’t go anywhere & didn’t change anything, why would #16? So therefore it is old news & not all that interesting compared to other shiny objects. in reply to DaveMc99TA
20:56:39 Retweeted @Mimirocah119:23:59 Lots of talk about whether Trump could be prosecuted raping Ms. Carroll. He can’t be. The statute of limitations is the one in effect in 1990 which was 5 (or in some cases 10) yrs. In 2006, NYS eliminated the statute of limitations for rape but it can’t apply retroactively.@MSNBC
21:20:22 “Dear Pookie, I miss you. Why haven’t you called? Please call me. Why don’t you want to talk all night on the phone any more?” https://t.co/9jNj8vsN5R
21:23:18 Retweeted @nataliesurely21:13:06 My cousin’s 9-year-old daughter caught this frog. I took a photo of it, and she said I should make the picture into a meme captioned “me about to leave school” <symbol> https://t.co/laOHUNXo2t
21:46:52 Retweeted @neal_katyal15:11:42 Anyone who doubts why cameras are so important in federal courtrooms should watch this. The monstrosity of the Trump Administration reeks with every spoken line and a cold transcript can never capture it. https://t.co/1kBcDAMFa3
22:35:46 Retweeted @Lollardfish2019-06-20 17:05:55 The Concentration Camp Next Door. On the sheer normality of concentration camps in American history. I drive past one in Minnesota all the time. You probably have one near you.My latest for @PacificStand